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Hi - my name is Robert Smits and I'm trying to maintain the Sagitta website. Original from the Netherlands, but now living in New Zealand, after 15 years in Norway. I have been flying since I was 13 years old. Yep, that's me in the Green Menace as someone called it after the new paint scheme - Sagitta ZK-GDO above Drury.

Tell us what you think about the site.  We welcome all of your comments and suggestions, stories and memories. If you want to contribute anything, just send us a short note and we'll get in touch! All comments welcome, especially corrections of my Dutch-English grammar and/or spelling mistakes.

If not in the Sagitta you'll find me in the Ka-8 "Elle", a T-31 somewhere above Taranaki and hey yes I have been seen flying glass as well...

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Thanks for all the contributions from all over the world to this website.

Thanks for all the pictures submitted, especially from Holland and the USA. And of course thanks to pilots visiting New Zealand to have a look and/or fly Sagitta s/n 010. Here is a picture of Will Oldenbroek and me, after a flight from Matamata airfield, along the Kaimai ranges (in the background) when he visited us in 2006.

 

From the discontinued Guest Book:

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Len Bosman  
namsob@dccnet.com
Location:
Vancouver Canada
Sunday, 13. February 2005 19:35 Host: h24-207-57-80.dlt.dccnet.com Write a comment Send E-mail

Als oudlid van de A.C.v. Z. 1945-1950 en ook van mijn gewezen broer Jan denk ik nog vaak aan de prettige jaren die ik met Piet doorgebracht heb in het bouwlokaal in de Johannes Verhulst Straat.
Ik weet niet of Piet nog leeft; toen ik in 1992 in Holland was op de reunion van de club miste ik hem.
Ik ben een nieuweling op het internet, en heb al enige oude foto's gestuurd aan Jurgen van Ooijen.
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Sander van Doormaal  
 
Location:
the Hetherlands
Monday, 27. December 2004 12:44 Host: ip503c6534.speed.planet.nl Write a comment

Hi Robert,

Yet again my compliments for your site.
I've updated mine and added at last a link to your site

Een thermisch 2005

Sander
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Arthur Nation  
anation@w-link.net
Location:
Tacoma, WA USA
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:-) Very interesting sailplane. Too bad only a very few were built.
Going to Copperstate fly-in at Casa Grande, AZ next week (10-7-10/10). Will try to find Terry Menees from Tempe, AZ who has N88988 for a look-see.
Will be at Arizona Soaring near Maricopa afterwards for training to get my add-on rating to the power pilot license.
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E.F Alsema  
amn@knoware.nl
Location:
The Netherlands
Wednesday, 22. September 2004 17:40 IP: 246.169.213-192-dial-in-dynamic.ision.nl Write a comment Send E-mail

He would've been proud(I am)....
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Neander Stalpers  
xe790@zweefvlieg.info
Location:
The Netherlands, Alkmaar
Wednesday, 15. September 2004 04:26 Host: hmm-dca-ap02-d10-044.dial.freesurf.nl Write a comment Send E-mail

Nice website and thanks for linking our site! Good luck with flying your Sagitta, and hope to visit you once in NZ.

Best regards,

Neander
One of the owners of the T31b XE790 :-)
 

And a choice of the many emails received since the Sagitta site was started:

Beste Robert,
Mijn vader had het vast geweldig gevonden om te horen dat er nog steeds een Sagitta in New Zealand vliegt!
Ik zal met alle plezier foto`s en informatie voor de site verzamelen; ik weet natuurlijk niet hoeveel info jullie zelf al hebben, maar beter dubbel dan niets. Er zijn foto`s, kranteknipsels en ik hoop ook technische informatie te kunnen achterhalen, o.a. over de restauratie van de PH 266. Misschien zijn er ook nog foto`s van de verscheping van de Sagitta naar New Zealand.
Ook mijn moeder en zus vinden het nieuws over de site geweldig.
Wat een mooi eerbewijs aan mijn vaders werk, we waarderen dat enorm, en ik vind het ook erg leuk om wat aan de site bij te kunnen dragen.
Vriendelijke groet, Inge Alsema

Hallo Robert,Flight Simulator Sagitta (click for full size picture)
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et is telkens weer 'n groot genoegen om te zien dat mensen - zoals jij - zo veel belangstelling voor een specifiek (zweef)vliegtuig hebben dat er 'n hele website aan wagen. En laat ik er meteen aan toevoegen: 'n pracht website. Mijn complimenten...
Zelf ben ik ook zeer ge-interesseerd in de Sagitta, zoveel dat ik al 'n paar keer op Hilversum ben wezen kijken en besloten heb er een te bouwen voor m'n flight simulator - bijgaande 'n plaatje. Zoals je ziet is 'ie nog lang niet af maar dat gaat zeker komen...
Nogmaals hartelijk dank voor je prachtige website, met vriendelijke groeten,
Max Roodveldt
Huizen - Nederland

Dear Mr. Smits!
First, I hope, you excuse my bad english (I am from Austria, Europe).
Second: may I give you congratulations to your website. A few years ago,
I planned to build a Sagitta (1:2,5) -> 6 m wingspan.
But there were only few information i found in www. With your website,
this bad years are gone!
But now my problem: I want to draw a plan in 3view (fuselage), but I
need a good 3view to do this. Maybe you can help me? Two years ago I
wrote an email to Schipol-Museum, but I didnt get any answer.
Lixl Willi
Austria, Europe

Hi Robert,
Thanks for your email. I don't think that I have any photographs anymore. Never compiled a photo album. But I do have slides dating back to the sixties. I haven’t looked at them since I left for Africa in 1967, and upon return in 1989 I have been too busy on the farm to pay much attention to them. Don’t even own a projector now. I’ll try to borrow one and have a look through them. Unfortunately slides don’t last forever and they may have faded. I’ll have a look shortly, and I will certainly let you know if I find anything useful for your website collection of historical photographs.
Regards, Eric van Notten.

To Robert Smits, its great to see my fathers plane on such a beautiful website as this one! Maybe we ( family) can add some information(?).We have photographs and newspaper writings and original drawings. A nice detail; the color blue in which much planes where painted had  also became the color of many piece of furniture in our house those days. Again, a beautiful site, which brings back memories, thank you...      Greetings Erica Alsema

Hi. I visit your site regularly and am astonished about what information there is about the glider of my uncle Piet.
Essential information I have none , you'll have to wait for input from my nieces.
Lonneke Alsema

Beste Robert,
Bedankt voor je e-mail. Het geeft mij grote voldoening dat ik met foto's kan bijdragen aan jouw interessante Sagitta website, en wil in de toekomst met veel plezier uitkijken naar nieuwe toevoegingen. Veel succes gewenst, Len Bosman

Dear Robert. No we sold the wreck to somebody else, he got Ted Ashwell of Masterton who repaired gliders. They decided to import a new wing from Holland. We considered it, but I believe there were only 14 made altogether. DO was number seven. Eric's CW was number three. We thought it unlikely a new wing may not closely match up with the old one. Presumidly they were made with the wings rigged together. Because the cracks that had opened in the blocks between the spars and the clamp that Temple Martin made would not line up correctly with the new wing. My partner Bill Williams wanted to upgrade to fibre glass, so we sold it as was. I found I didn't get enough flying with my own glider as I was busy instruting for the club. My wife flew it almost as much as me. We were short of instructors and tow pilots, as were most clubs at that time. I enjoyed aerobatics in it, even doing barrel rolls. Not recomended unless you are really experienced on powered aircraft. The Tiger was a good aircrat to learn on. I flew Halifax four engined bombers during the war, so was not lacking in experience. I even got that upside down during fighter affiliation exercises with a Hurricane.
I stalled it at the top of an evasive climb at the start of a downward turn, and she flipped right over, had to recover with the second half of a loop. I found gliders much nicer, less G forces.
Have you measured from the tail to each wing tip, using different points to measure from. for example the center of fuselage in front of the fin to the rear edge of the wing at the pod on the wing tip. If it is hard to rig, must mean there is stress on the aircraft when rigged. Is it only one pin hard to put in. The main pins or the trailing edge pins.
It seems that it has been flying for some time like that so should be safe. But you should be able to get it easy to rig, and get rid of that stress.
You ask if I am of Dutch descent. My Grand father came out to New Zealand in 1877. Formed the deaf school at Sumner now called van Asch college. My father was born in England in1867, so it is a long way back. When I became too deaf to instruct in 1978, I decided to drop gliding completely, and went sailing. I didn't want to fly ocasionally and become a menace in the air. My deafness was war damage, broke an ear drum when descending from 20,000 ft in a monsoon in India. Gerry van Asch.

 

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